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Indict him, they can't issue a subpoena to him. >> so if you follow the logic there from rudy giuliani, it's that under the legal team's view of the law, the only way the special counsel could force the president's testimony is to show that they need to investigate a crime of great significance. so the logic is if you can't indict a president for any crime, maybe like obstruction of justice, then there's no crime to justify a subpoena. that's the logic giuliani's using there but it doesn't square, of course, because subpoenas are issued all the time for witness testimony. it's not only this to...

Things. as a prosecutor, my antenna is up and ready. >> if ronan -- the other possibility is that maybe robert mueller or the southern district of new york tried to quarantine those records and it did happen it would mean they're so important that there's another world of hurt for michael cohen. >> exactly. there's just no good end to this right now for him i think. of course, on the end of a lot of other troubling things we're seeing. >> errol, i want to ask you about "the washington post" reporting also about michael cohen that michael cohen solicited $1 million from the government of qatar ...