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It starteding up before summer hit. >> right. it has been consistently elevated. as people are getting out and about, especially after cord and wanting to visit relatives, they see that those trips are costing them more. it is not only the fuel, it is hotels, it is food as they are traveling, it is the combination of all of these impacts. so harris, they know that at the end of their money, they have too much months left and dollars aren't going as far as they did under president trump because of what you are seeing with the inflation rate. that inflation is not where it was under president tr...

Is when you get the insurance co is too expensive to use. but you have to look at the escalation rate in the cost of insurance. in tennessee, it's 176%. we do over what period of time? >> marsha: since the affordable care act went into being, since it was signed into law so you look at that spread of 176%, you can subsidize all day long, but if you are not going to make the structural changes that are necessary to get down the cost of delivery of the cost of access, you are going to solve the problem and the president is right and congress, the houses right on this issue. >> harris: richard, h...

With me now is marsha blackburn. is the big message in all of this is difficulty in trying to take back an entitlement after it has been signed into law? >> the difficulty is trying to unravel. the american people want to see it off the books. the escalation rate in insurance premiums is something that makes it unaffordable. the deductibles make it unusable and we knew it would be tough and we'd have to do it in phases. phase one is what we're doing right now, the reconciliation bill. budget reconciliation. we can do things that fit within that framework and we're already working on our third ...

Up $3000 per family since the law was passed. they are up 40 percent and going to see another 40 percent next year. the escalation rate seems to be coming at us faster than people can keep up with . the taxings, you have $165 billion in new taxes and fees embodied in that law. >> mike: most people didn't know about the new taxings. untold . what should we be doing? what should we do to make thes go down? >> there are ways to help the uninsured without allowing the government to grab control of our medical care. for example, we could copy some of the best things that have worked all over the co...