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This is tough. and maybe not worth the risk. we're gonna go with the obstruction charge, which still fascinates me by the way. and, charge for obstructing the case, and try not to get even into the highly sensitive information. which would be the espionage charge. >> it's always interesting to me harry, because you and frank will look from the same issue from different vantage point. so i want to hear your legal take on the question. and i also want to know where you think merrick garland goes from here? >> great. this is actually one point. we are on two tracks here, and we've been from the s...

Jurisdictions to certain types of cases, or at least, getting rid of the filibuster so the laws can be passed that would protect people in voting. i think people are seeing a real difference between democrats and republicans. and you started the show in a wonderful way by saying, look at what's happened, what the democrats and joe biden have accomplished, just in the last few weeks. it is an amazing series of accomplishments, really important legislation. so, i think that that is going to have an impact, and that democrats are very motivated to get out there and make sure that we don't lose in...

Because of a movement toward doing something about the supreme court, whether it's enlarging it, limiting its jurisdictions to certain types of cases, or at least, getting rid of the filibuster so the laws can be passed that would protect people in voting. i think people are seeing a real difference between democrats and republicans. and you started the show in a wonderful way by saying, look at what's happened, what the democrats and joe biden have accomplished, just in the last few weeks. it is an amazing series of accomplishments, really important legislation. so, i think that that is going...

The supreme court, whether it's enlarging it. or, at least getting rid of the filibuster, so that laws can be passed. that will protect people in voting. i think people are seeing a real difference between democrats, and republicans. and you started the show in a wonderful, way by saying, look at what is happening, look with the democrats and joe biden hubley -- just in the last few weeks it is in amazing series of accomplishments. really important legislation. i think that is going to have an impact, and democrats are very motivated, to get out there and make sure that we don't lose in a big ...

Investigating whether or not there are potential violations of any of these laws. but our understanding is sort of that first they want to go in and secure these documents and then explore why they're any charge crimes here to charge. so at this point, we don't have any serious indication that they are considering it an espionage charge. but it's clearly they are looking at whether or not there are potential violations there. >> see, that is what i thought. aruna thank you very much. so take us beside the justice department. can you break down what officials will do about attorney general garl...