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If you do get a shot at being health secretary, you will hope, we will all hope, that by the time that happens the pandemic is receding, even if it's not over. you'll probably face, if you do become health secretary, massive waiting lists. now, this has happened before. when alan milburn was health secretary under tony blair — huge waiting lists. now, he turned, where, to get them sorted? to the private sector to help. are you willing to do that? well, it's interesting, isn't it, how we come full circle? conservative governments come in, ratchet up the waiting lists, and labour goverments ha...

Where we'll end up having to be. i think there are three things at the forefront of my mind in terms of bringing down waiting lists. first is dealing with the essential workforce challenge. we went into the pandemic with the nhs with 100,000 staffing vacancies, 112,000 in social care. so, without a workforce strategy, you don't have aplan for the nhs. the second thing we've got to do is to sort out social care. i think in november there were over 400,000 cases where people were able to be discharged from hospital into the community but couldn't because the care home wouldn't take them or commu...

Ratchet up waiting lists, and labour governments have to sort them out. and you're right, that's exactly where we'll end up having to be. i think there are three things at the forefront of my mind in terms of bringing down waiting lists. first is dealing with the essential workforce challenge. we went into the pandemic with the nhs with 100,000 staffing vacancies, 112,000 in social care, so without a workforce strategy, you don't have a plan for the nhs. the second thing we've got to do is to sort out social care. i think in november, there were over 400,000 cases where people were able to be ...