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Fights we've had, there's this narrative that the tea party has been domesticated, defeated, rendered less powerful. it strikes me how much power the base still has over the party. you just do not see these level of politicians coming to kind of get the blessing of the left base. i wish, gosh, we lived in that world, but we don't. it seems to me it still is the case the base really has a grip on the party. >> well, the base certainly does have a grip on the party. you think of what chris christie was rolling out there today. he wasn't talking about guns. he wasn't talking about his support for...

Ben, here's what always strikes me about cpac and strikes me as much this year. i think after the shutdown and after the budget and all these fights we've had, there's this narrative that the tea party has been do nemesticatedomesticated rendered less powerful. it strikes me how much power the base still has over the party. you just do not see these level of politicians coming to kind of get the blessing of the left base. i wish, gosh, we lived in that world, but we don't. it seems to me it still is the case the base really has a grip on the party. >> well, the base certainly does have a grip ...

Because you lost. >> you know what? this is the thing. presidential politics changes everything. and the gop drove the messaging in 2012. in 2010 when the tea party movement drove the messaging, we won huge because we were all about the fiscal issues. 2012 when gop drove the messaging, we lost. it wasn't just tea party candidates that lost. it was moderates, too. so we need to go back to our foundation of fiscal responsibility, limited government, free markets and we need to elect fiscal conservatives and remain focused on those issues. >> quickly, do you think 2014 is going to be a repeat of ...

Or not we're going to rebuild the middle class or continue to help those at the very top. >> meanwhile, mitt romney is spreading lies like wildfire. >> rather than putting out that fire, he has spent more. >> we debate the theory with tim ryan. >> new numbers show the independents want the president to crack down on big banks. >> the biggest financial institutions in this country cannot be involved in casino gambling and that's exactly what they're doing. >> vermont senator bernie sanders on the regulation we need to present another disaster. john boehner tees up another debt ceiling show down...

>> that choice is about whether or not we're going to rebuild the middle class or continue to help those at the very top. >> meanwhile, mitt romney is spreading lies like wildfire. >> rather than putting out that fire, he has spent more. >> we debate the theory with tim ryan. >> new numbers show the independents want the president to crack down on big banks. >> the biggest financial institutions in this country cannot be involved in casino gambling and that's exactly what they're doing. >> vermont senator bernie sanders on the regulation we need to present another disaster. john boehner tees u...