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>> romney is more conservative than newt on the issues. that's not what it is about. it is about the fact that romney appears to be an establishment candidate. that's not true at all. that's the optics. >> and also newt seems like the guy that can take it to obama and romney is too nice. newt is going to go in there and fight him. a lot of people say newt is a flawed candidate. but aren't we all flawed candidates? >> yes, a short answer, yes. what was that question? >> i would say -- i don't really -- i do not understand newt. romney, yes, i guess he is a flip-floper, but the man is squeaky cl...

Celebration of herman cain and his campaign proved, a black man with overwhelming support for americans to run for office. not an establishment candidate, but a candidate who wanted to have the highest office in the land and i think today is a celebration and i think that an endorsement from herman cain, if he doesn't throw his hat back in the ring would be an endorsement. >> i want to get to the endorsement again. and jehmu, angela's comment how we were puzzled by the celebratory mood at first before he took to the podium looks like he's staying in. but he did present it as a celebration. he ...

Evidence to support that? >> i believe the answer is yes. by we don't have any evidence to support this. but because i am unconventional candidate running an unconventional campaign and achieving some unexpected unconventional results in terms of my, the poll. we believe that yes, there are some people who are democrats, liberals who do not want to see me win the nomination. there could be some people on the right who don't want to see me pause i'm not the, quote/unquote, establishment candidate. no evidence. >> but race have any part of that establishment, mav ring, yes. what about race? >> r...

Evidence to support that? >> i believe the answer is yes. by we don't have any evidence to support this. but because i am unconventional candidate running an unconventional campaign and achieving some unexpected unconventional results in terms of my, the poll. we believe that yes, there are some people who are democrats, liberals who do not want to see me win the nomination. there could be some people on the right who don't want to see me pause i'm not the, quote/unquote, establishment candidate. no evidence. >> but race have any part of that establishment, mav ring, yes. what about race? >> r...

Conservative, no conservative with deep roots in the party emerges as his alternative much as what happened to john mccain. conservatives didn't embrace john mccain. they just accepted him at the end of the day. jon: most observers say romney is much better candidate this time around than last time around. do you agree? >> he is better candidate. he is comfortable in the debates. he performs very well in the debates. he has his message down. look what he did to rick perry on immigration. he has done his job. much of the party, look at polls, he gets a quarter of the vote in almost every survey...