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Slightly more establishment ground, while diversifying them, i think you get away from that and it changes the context and the dynamics of the policy debates -- it's not just about the candidates but what are the policy debates? >> do you have a more diverse economy and population in a south carolina, a georgia or a michigan? but you have a more diverse economy, more interesting stretch of younger voters, older voters, different voters, latino voters. there's a good argument for changes on the demographic level and face and having more diversity in every way, but, there's also the question tha...

That we didn't see in 2012 with some fof the herman cain, michelmichele bachma bachmann, you have the anti-establishment vote which is about 50% of the gop vote right now. and on the other side, you have the so-called establishment candidates, jeb bush, marco rubio, maybe carly fiorina, john kasich, chris christie, they are fracturing the establishment vote and so none of them are able to get any sort of foothold and that lends itself to ben carson and donald trump continuing to be very strong. >> and even within that establishment ground, you have the likes of ted cruz. you add his polls to t...