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It is going to be a huge headache for the republican party going forward and a reckoning coming because there are two parties within that party. there is the authoritarian populous wing and the establishment mainstream wing of the party. and bannon is very much going against the establishment mainstream. >> right. you talk about his alignment with the alt-right. where could his mission lead as far as what this republican party could look like. >> well, very indicative example of this was in the alabama primary. you had luther strange, supported by trump, and more of the establishment republica...

Admit you want her in this field, howard. >> oh, yes, i do. >> listen, there's a difference -- there's a difference between what any journalist would have fun covering and what would necessarily be good for the country, okay. >> we'll leave it at that. >> let's take a look at what fred barnes has to say. he's a smart guy. i think we need to wait until september and see if the field we have is inspiring republicans or not. and if not, then there might be pressure, enormous pressure, he writes on others to jump. and he mentions chris christie, jeb bush, paul ryan, and i think there's widespread ...

That's a question, howard, as a journalist, do you have a sense they're looking at this field as sort of the spring list. but there's going to be a fall list. >> yeah, i think that's possible. and i think fred barnes is as good an authority on what is acceptable within the conservative, you know, establishment mainstream as there is. and fred doesn't like what he sees so far and he wants to look for other players later on. you know, the conservators are going to have to look for somebody they can sell to those independent voters as you were saying, chris, and as ron was saying. and a lot of th...