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The gop is trying to repackage to the american people? it sounds like a lot of the same stuff. >> well, ed, let me start by being as charitable as i can possibly be. the old proverb a journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. this is one very small step. it was a speech that had a lot of nice words. but you're absolutely right in that it said nothing about the policies that the republican party espouses and continues to espouse that are ejected by large majorities of the american people. you know, people get what the party stands for, and they don't like it. so it's a step, a little st...

Different wings of the party and these fights are going to break out in the open. you think this is something that has to happen? >> you have to litigate between the tea party wing who wants no government and then the more establishment wing that says there is a role for government. we can't get rid of all of them. just have to make it work better. >> arkansas was an embarrassment but the fact of the matter is on the state level, this is where this rebranding is going to happen because you have governors like bob mcdonnell who is a superstar. john kasich who has some tough poll ratings but he'...

And can beyond no matter what happens to them in the early primaries. >> gene robinson, what about sullivan's point about, hey, a northeast republican endorses the northeast republican. how does that play outside of the northeast? >> first, lawrence, let me take the opportunity to announce i also have decided not to run for the republican nomination. >> gene, i was going to tell you, if it's too late for chris christie, i think it's too late for gene robinson. >> and it is. you know, that was an interesting comment. what it highlights to me is that, you know, christie has a national reputation...

About the split between the tea party and the establishment wing. because usually the establishment wing just ends up rolling over everybody and getting what they want. this time not so easy. >> the promise of rick perry was the possibility of ewing the establishment wing and the tea party wing. it just hasn't worked out. >> it may yet. >> i think it still could. >> i think he has a shot. >> i don't think this is inherently a bad thing for the republican party. i think it is good to be searching for that ideal candidate and for candidates to surge in the polls and then collapse and have to fig...

>> jamie: doug, before every election, midterm or presidential, i always ask you about the independent vote. >> right. >> jamie: does he have a point. >> he has a point. there is a problem, though, with his argument. the problem is the republicans themselves are sufficiently well-divided between the tea party wing, establishment wing and pro business chamber of commerce wing and what obama and the democrats are doing is waiting and letting the republicans self-destruct as we did in 1995 with newt gingrich and the president is saying, i'm for compromise and letting the republicans self-destruct...