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>> the law was passed in 2002. a lot of interesting proposals there. it was a major piece of legislation. but with the one area that both the democrats and republicans agreed on in that legislation, don't touch leadership pacs. there was a discussion of that. that just was not feasible politically. >> they were not going to get the votes. >> that's right. i don't see, chuck, any change in that political environment up on capitol hill. particularly when you need a lot of money to be able to move up in congress to these chairs and ranking member positions. >> let's talk about the unintended cons...

Ligs coalition with their hands? >> i hope that both the left and right understand this is a huge threat and they hold the president's feet to the fire on this issue. >> there is sort of -- it's basically a classic establishment versus the populous. it's one of those classic cases. you guys are going to be coming back. up next, a deep dive into the power of pacs. later, author and "new york times" ethicist chuck clausterman, he'll be here. another cut from the nixon tapes. here's then rnc chairman george herbert walker bush calling the president about his speech right after watergate, about wa...

Times" ethicist chuck clausterman will be here next. first, the white house soup of the day. president's in buffalo. so those left behind are eating el paso chicken and rice. as for our next nixon shot, president nixon is not mentioned in his new book about villains. we heard nixon use profanity and even prejudiced language in previously released recordings and these are no different. here he is discussing judicial nominations with his then chief of staff. clients are always learning more