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Mind -- >> what level of interaction can an attorney general have with a potential witness before they should recuse themselves? >> every case, congressman, is evaluated based on the facts and circumstances. i believe she said she consulted with ethics experts. i would as well. i don't know what the nature of the conversation is. >> i would hope a situation seriously to what she encountered there would be a recusal. throughout this report, decisions related to the investigation were politically deliver, whether or not they were partisan. i see evidence of them wanting to wrap things up because...

Her father. maybe they are. but we tone have a wholistic picture how that's happening if it is. >> who is left to see if it's quantifiable or qualifiable. the richard painter ethics group with crew norm eisen. looking at one of the public interests groups looking at that. do you think that role is fulfilled as people dig down and see if they are profiting off the white house. >> i don't think there is anything about the disclosure that discourage the richard painters of the world from looking into this. the fact that these folks are making money outside their roles keeps the interest alive in ...

Trying to show she is not steering the ship if you will for business that is mitt benefit her or her husband financially. >> i'll take on a hugely complicated topic in the next few seconds. there are trusts and trusts. the trusts she is talking about the is inchest. >> i donnow about simplest. but the not totally blind in the sense that previous president -- she is not a president obviously -- have chosen blind trusts. she father have trusts where they could conceivably have ownership and ability to have control over them in ways that maybe ethics experts would prefer they not. >> okay. thank ...

Chosen blind trusts. she and her father have trusts where they could conceivably have ownership and ability to have control over ways that maybe ethics experts would prefer they not. >> okay. thank you for coming on explaining a very complicated story for us tonight >> thank you for having me. >> appreciate. rachel abrahams with "the new york times." when we come back. two names in the news both because of something they said, one of them we are sure you will know. when "the 11th hour" continues.

The white house. >> i don't think there is anything about the disclosure that discourage the richard painters of theorld from looking into this. the fact that these folks are making money outside their roles keeps the interest alive infigu benefitting from the white house. i don't think the disclosures give us any definite answers about the things that ethics experts care about, which is how exactly they benefit. whether using the platforms to promote their own business interests, which they have at least by ivanka trump for example taking -- taking steps back from businesses, dereking to be i...