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More significantly what you learned on the way up and on the way down and apply it to what is arguably one of the great could nun drums of the situation, how do you get the financial house in order. should i make it, that's what i intend to do. >> nia, what fascinates me, exactly what do you think he learned on the way down about how to get our financial house in order? >> right. absolutely nothing. on the way down, he had to pay a $70,000 ethics fine. the largest ethics fine in south carolina history. but there you have him trying to explain where he is and where he wants to go. i think he be...

In order. should i make it, that's what i intend to do. >> nia, what fascinates me, exactly what do you think he learned on the way down about how to get our financial house in order? >> right. absolutely nothing. on the way down, he had to pay a $70,000 ethics fine. the largest ethics fine in south carolina history. but there you have him trying to explain where he is and where he wants to go. i think he benefits from the fact he was never someone that led social conservative issues, was a box checker, was more leaning forward in terms of fiscal issues, and that's what he led with. so i think...