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Apply it to definition of marriage as well. but i think this is a case of name recognition and more name recognition than colbert busch, and i think this is a indicate where he has been able to campaign as a fiscal conservative. he is able to say he cut lines in the dmv, he was rated number one by the cato institute. people like to think they're forgiving. let's not forget that, especially when it comes to politicians. >> i'm very forgiving about all of that. let's listen to more of that debate last week. >> people kept calling, kept calling, they said mark, you need to do this because here is...

More significantly what you learned on the way up and on the way down and apply it to what is arguably one of the great could nun drums of the situation, how do you get the financial house in order. should i make it, that's what i intend to do. >> nia, what fascinates me, exactly what do you think he learned on the way down about how to get our financial house in order? >> right. absolutely nothing. on the way down, he had to pay a $70,000 ethics fine. the largest ethics fine in south carolina history. but there you have him trying to explain where he is and where he wants to go. i think he be...