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President is a polar figure and looms large over the elections. what is remarkable, when i meet with the democratic congressional candidates, they don't talk about the president. usually in the interviews, if somebody brings up the president, it's me. they are laser focused on what votes they took or what they may have done wrong. they are capitalizing but making an individual case against the republican. >> nathan, thank you for your time. appreciate it. when we come back, sarah sanders wants them to call the new york times and complain about the op ed. she wants this so much she posted the...

Tweeted. for those of you asking for the identity of the anonymous coward, she directed them to call the opinion desk of the failing "new york times," which is a quote. and she gave out the phone number. is this a misuse of her position? >> it is a gross misuse of her position. we have an ethics rule about this. misuse, abuse of position. it's in 5-cfr-26-35. and the idea of it is -- it's a big problem. the trump administration has violated this rule again and again. you cannot use your public office to hurt a private party or to help a private party. the government can abuse it in so many dif...

Polarizing figure. he does loom large over these elections. i think what's remarkable is when i meet with these democratic congressional candidates, they don't talk about the president. usually in our interviews, if someone brings up the president, it's me. they're focused, laser focused on these republican incumbents and what votes they took or what they may have done wrong. they're capitalizing on the energy but making an individual case against the republican. >> nathan, harry, thank you for your time. i appreciate it. when we come back, sarah sanders wants supporters to call "the new york ...

Government has so much power, they can abuse it in so many different ways. and sarah sanders did that, don. it's not just an ethics problem. it's a first amendment problem because she's clogged the phone lines over there at "the new york times." she's instructed people to using her government pulpit to interfere with the operations of a private business and a media outlet. the first amendment prohibits that. so i think we have a very serious legal and constitutional problem here yet again. >> norm, you say that the kavanagh hearing should be put on hold for now and you coauthored a report that...

So he's been out there pushing the stock. it's a major ethics problem. i think the house has to really look at this. we have the stock which is basically -- the republicans have to look at this and ask whether it's really worth having members be able to individually trade stocks when almost everything they do can effect that stock. how do you say that a tax bill doesn't affect every stock in this country? and this is the kind of problem they're going to have. and, yes, they should do something about it. will they? we always say reform comes from scandal. is this a big enough scandal? i think i...