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>> i figured it probably didn't have a lot of teeth, but i figured they probably had set some type of ethics rules and regulatory process in place. >> but george burgess only asked about it. he said he had never spoken with anyone from the white house and he didn't know anything about the ethics package. didn't they claim they had an ethics agreement? yes, they did. >> they said that. but then george burgess didn't know anything about it. and if they had an ethics agreement, they would have had it with one person, george burgess, he said under oath today he had never spoken to the owner of the...

Being objective. i include justice kavanaugh along with all of the other justices. chief justice roberts has made it a priority -- and i'm paraphrasing, but to bring back the respect to the supreme court. i do not think that donald trump's goals are going to be achieved by doing what he thinks it's helping him. >> this is the problem with donald trump, charles. he expects loyalty from anybody around him, and the fact of the matter is that judges who are known to the constitution, not to the man did appointed you. >> anthony, just a follow-up here, you have got the supreme court justices. your ...

You are jack smith, you are seeing this. one thing that i want to ask you about, clarence thomas. is there any desire from the doj to see justice thomas recuse himself from these cases being heard? >> charles, clarence thomas has been causing problems since before he got on this court. the fact of the matter is that the ethics issues, the ethics rules before the court are -- they have no teeth. i do not expect you're going to see doj, with so many matters before the court, trying to encourage any justice to step back. should he? absolutely. will he? absolutely not. >> two of my absolute favori...

Appeal that. there is no mechanism to potentially punish him for failing to recuse in a case in which there's a conflict of interest. and so this ethics lipstick on a pig that chief justice roberts tried to push through last fall doesn't get anywhere, because what you would need for any code of ethics is some sort of investigative body and enforcement mechanism, and the code that they released in november, the amalgamation of a variety of different canons of ethics laws that are not equivalent to what the rest of the federal judges have, does not include any kind of enforcement mechanism. as a...

Act, because they have refused to do so. >> if clarence thomas does not recuse and the court rules in trump's favor in this case, what effect do you think that will have on the legitimacy of this ruling for the american people? >> public poll after public poll, the legitimacy of this supreme court is cratering. the credibility of the court is at an all-time low. that's largely because of all the ethics violations that have been uncovered about justice thomas in particular, justice alito as well, even in some cases some of the other justices with questionable ethics adherence to the ethics rule...