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There is a lot of folks saying that in itself should trigger an investigation, that in itself violates certain codes of conduct. >> i think it's worth than an ethics violation. what mccarthy is doing is when actors use government power to fool them into using them as lackeys. it's what tucker carlson did in hungary. it's not a dynamic that any american ceo would want to take hold of here. i think what the private sector needs to be talking about is forming a nato article 5-like mutual defense act that if politicians are coming after one of them, they'll come after all of them. >> yeah, it is i...

That just explicit threat in that kevin mccarthy statement. there's a lot of folks saying that that itself should trigger some ethics investigation. that it itself violates certain codes of conduct. what was your reaction? >> i think it's worse than an ethics violation. what mccarthy did is what i've been calling autocratic capture which is when the actors use government powers to bully private businesses into being their political allies, or in this case their political lackeys. it's something a regime didn't egypt, it's one-timer putin doesn't russia, it's not a dynamic that any american ceo...

You need to make sure that you can do that. especially with some of those people who are all being, they just happen to be donors to the biden campaign. and that is happened to me donors to the biden super pac. i'm sure that's just a coincidence as well steve. steve: this is what is some discussing about it is that they sort of lecture has endlessly about democracy and values and all of the rest of it and that they behave like this. >> the first time they had an ethics violation under the biden administration is that you can't compare with the media may be fired immediately. and then somebody ...

You need to make sure that you can do that. especially with some of those people who are all being, they just happen to be donors to the biden campaign. and that is happened to me donors to the biden super pac. i'm sure that's just a coincidence as well steve. steve: this is what is some discussing about it is that they sort of lecture has endlessly about democracy and values and all of the rest of it and that they behave like this. >> the first time they had an ethics violation under the biden administration is that you can't compare with the media may be fired immediately. and then somebody ...

You need to make sure that you can do that. especially with some of those people who are all being, they just happen to be donors to the biden campaign. and that is happened to me donors to the biden super pac. i'm sure that's just a coincidence as well steve. steve: this is what is some discussing about it is that they sort of lecture has endlessly about democracy and values and all of the rest of it and that they behave like this. >> the first time they had an ethics violation under the biden administration is that you can't compare with the media may be fired immediately. and then somebody ...