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Re-election, but concluded the structure in washington created an impossible dilemma between being independent and doing what you thought was right on one hand and being effective inside the establishment in the other. and this is a longer conversation. everything is structured inside the congress these days the to reinforce party the discipline, voting down the line, even to the effect of if you're not with your party, 1% or 2% of the time, you run the risk as senator mccain pointed out of the crazies coming at you. and then practical things. you want to get a bill passed, you want to have an...

And independents participating in primaries which lead to more sensible candidates. final thick i'd say is i love the fact that people consider themselves to be independent. but starting years ago, a theory arose that people say that, but you don't really mean it. there are only about 4% or 5% that are truly independent. that's what has led to this situation we have now where everyone plays to the base, no one compromises and the government needs to come to a stop. that's what we need to change and i think it's going to involve reforming the the two parties and the nominating process. >> senat...

T.r. wasn't talking about those who retire. joining me now to discuss from the great state of indiana, evan bye. senator, thanks for being back. i want to show you something that was just posted at u.s. news that references you. carly wheelen wrote it. he said flake should leave his party, mott the senate. he should run as an independent. we are starting to see a pattern, respected senators like oh olympia snoweand evan bayh announce their retirement and announce they are leaving in large part because the senator has become hyper partisan and ineffective. how does leaving the senate help the s...

Conducted there. if you look at indiana, you see evan bye's chances dip. so it's been a very bizarre thing where it almost seems like voters are voting for candidates instead of for parties. isn't that a wonderful thing? or maybe not. >> i think it goes both ways. i think parties are a pretty useful proxy. evan is a revolving door senator and he went and worked in d.c. and he's getting hammered for that. in nevada, that's a race that, again when you look at the math, you think joe hack who is running for the seat. he looks like he's ahead. when you look at the precedent, what harry reid is abl...

Indiana, evan bye, the public polls although limited show he is leading over young the republican nominee. >> here is something interesting. it's almost like you have to be a socioloaologysociologyist. the one i want to talk about -- i know you didn't write about it but i want to talk about the shy factor. shy voters, this article listing that this could be one of the big reasons, these shy voters being those that are saying, you know, i don't want to admit i'm going to be voting for donald trump. but i'm going to do it maybe behind -- do it privately in the polling booth. how much is that a f...