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>> 269. is that one away? >> that's a fire row path, and it always comes down to ohio, we feel like a broken record talking about it. but if the president can maintain that advantage in ohio like he had a few days ago, the road gets extremely tough. >> we have got our ground game, but why do you think they keep talking about the debate. >> i think they were stunned, i didn't think they realizeded. >> i think it probably got into all their head. i also think it's a tactic here, if you talk about how moorely the president did, it's just going to fire up his base, i actually think they l i think ...

To be believed, the romney bounce -- ate point lead in september. it's a large swing, this is one of those goods polls amount of people do watch. on the question of who's a strong leader, romney's turned a 13 point obama lead into a tie. romney now holds an eight-point lead. zrak strategist and principal at the romney group. sarah i want to start with you, you've been in odd way in this situation before, you had a good lead, not out of the margin, but in a similar place. what was that conversation like with the president? >> you know, i think what you have to do is take a step back

And get back in campaign mode. so what happens a lot of times with presidents is they are so focused on the job at hand, they assume that they can do this and do it very well because they do it every day. although this is a very different game, the debate stage. and it really did look to me like president obama did not take mitt romney seriously. and i think that really came through and you see that boost in the numbers and mitt took advantage of it. >> how did president bush at the time, did his attitude change about kerry, like oh, wait a minute, this isn't going to be as easy as i thought. ...

Think are going to be helpful to the democratic campaign, and while the president didn't give a good performance, some of these things about mitt romney are baked back in. >> let's talk about to me, we won't know whether this is a new race until we see what the midwestern states are at. ohio, iowa, they have not written them off and they're really trying to get them back in play. if you're seeing the first ohio polls and you see the president still sitting at 49, does it matter to you if romney's at 47 or 44? >> it's a very different game when you're down 7 or 8 in the polls. at the end of the...

Plugs coin flip counties, we're taking a look at the biggest t battleground counties. but first, a look ahead at the schedules of the president, who makings up in california that heads to ohio and mitt romney as you know, from iowa to ohio. he's in the four letter state game. you're watching the daily you're watching the daily rundown only on msnbc.