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Interfere in the election. he admitted he asked them to investigate and the president actually admitted it himself. >> nothing is new. there's no alert down there. there's nothing new. >> it's an old scam. >> we have not learned one new thing since the transcript came out. we all read it. america made up its mind. nobody changed their mind on this. nobody is being convinced this is not what the democrats have tried to do. >> does that mean it's not wrong? >> i'll give you this -- a perfect call. >> answer my question. i'll let you go on. is it not wrong? does that mean it's not wrong? >> i'm n...

Ambassador to the eu gordon sondland testified about a call where president trump apparently said he wants no quid pro quo. well, the president claims this vindicates him in the impeachment inquiry. the question is did it actually happen? i want you to take a listen to sondland's testimony and how the president ran with it. >> he said, i want nothing. i want no quid pro quo. i just want zelensky to do the right thing, to do what he ran on or words to that effect. i still cannot find a record of that call because the state department and the white house cannot locate it, but i'm pretty sure i h...

Somewhere around, you know, 6th, 7th, 8th of september before this one that is the very clear message that trump has been talking about -- the thrust that tail lo taylor and all these folks are talking about at that point in time, what are the exact words we need the ukrainians to say to please the president? that's a far more muddled, murky message than just as you've had in the clips, the president simply saying no quid pro quo. he made have said those words, but in that earl everphone call, he's talking about exactly that. >> according to the testimony, there was this alternate plan to have...

Otherwise, we're at a stalemate. that is way worse than "i want nothing, i want nothing," and appears that's really how this went down. >> mm-hmm. aaron, there may not have been a call on september 9th, but according to the testimony from tim morrison and bill taylor, as elie just said on september 7th, there was a call with a different tone. explain why that call is so significant. >> well, just what elie had said, and also this is coming now in that time frame of just a few days after september 1st when gordon sondland had already corrected his testimony once and said that he wasn't in warsa...

Announces it, and trump's response was, no, it needs to come from zelensky. there's three things that i think are clear about gordon sondland. one, he fudged his testimony over and over again. i'm being charitable. two, every time he fudged it, he was in donald trump's favor. it softened it for donald trump. and, three, even with that softened version, he still provided damaging testimony against donald trump. >> so what does it mean for the other people overhearing the phone call and the date not matching up? what does that mean for the other person to say -- >> well, you have to make a credi...