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These guys, you know, we're all talking about this really confusing stuff for the general public on television. mueller has a paper trail which shows a hell of a lot of money being laundered. i've got to believe this is really dangerous for the republican party. >> right. and the fact that maybe the republican party feels they are in deep enough that it looks bad to get cohen out because it's a kind of an admission. but keeping him in also obviously looks bad. i want you both to stay with me. i want to a add clarence page, chicago tribune columnist and one of or experts. clarence, there is pay...

>> michael cohen last time we spoke, you told me he was still working as a deputy finance chair for the rnc. is that still the case? >> it is still the case, you know, there is ongoing litigation and we'll take it step-by-step, but yes, he is still. >> howard? >> this is very dangerous. trump is really infected the entire republican party with his swamp. he is the swamp and he has brought the swamp to washington. the thing that is astonishing about it is how uncareful he is. mueller is following the money around. when you follow the money around, if this russian oligarch who is close to putin ...

Really can't share materials with anyone like that, including congress, in the middle of an ongoing investigation, but it seems among pro-trump republican members of congress, their idea is to demand documents&ñ,from te deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, demand stuff from him way beyond the stuff he yq could conceivably actually give them. so, he has to say no. but by forcing him to say no, they are hoping to create a pretense to fire him for the terrible crime of not handing over information about a live ongoing investigation that could jeopardize that investigation or be used to tip of...

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Includes both business dealings and winning the presidency. we don't know more about what that means, but now you have the fact that he has close meetings -- remember that vekselberg was a person who gave -- whose cousin and later actually was supporting the trump presidential campaign, supported the inauguration, and that he was at the inauguration with trump himself. >> right. you're talking about who is a big part of this money trail. >> he's vekselberg's cousin aefr >> and his cousin. this is all in the family. we don't know everyone mueller has interviewed, but we have a growing list that...