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Happen. we'll see what happens. something will happen. >> and there have been protests, dozens of them across the country, over this issue. you see here, in california, students walking out of classes this week in protest of ending the d.r.e.a.m.ers program. president trump's negotiations with the democrats rattling some conservatives in the base there. this potential d.r.e.a.m.ers deal would mark the second trump/nancy pelosi deal in the past month. gentlemen, thank you for being with us. ben, i want to ask you first and foremost, we have all of these congress people saying, look, we need t...

Be rattle something nerves here. there are some people saying we docht like you mixing that plan together. to that, you say? >> well, yeah, that's exactly correct. ial agree with everything ben said. but here's the deal, daca is a major concession. it's a chip that we as republicans hold on immigration. >> wouldn't the law be a major concession as well? >> that's exactly right, the wall would be a concession by the democrats. why would the president -- i don't think this is a good deal by him right now why would the plead creede and say i want to extend the deal on daca, i want to make sure th...

Base. >> it's legalization, yes. >> i'm sorry? >> it's legalization, we're going to allow them to stay here. once again, just like ben, i'm not opposed to daca, but what i'm opposed to is doing daca without security, without the wall. >> but the president has said he won't do daca without doing the wall. >> well, that's new. certainly, when pelosi and schumer left that dinner, they immediately statement with a statement and they said that passing daca, to them, what the president told them, was not tied to the wall. and to go broader, here's the problem for me, as a republican and as a conserv...

To us for new laws. that is exactly what the president has done. he has not made any new law. he clarified, doubling down on existing law. where he wants new law made, he is going to congress. now what you're seeing is people who got so far over their skis saying this is going to be tyranny having to find little things, everything ben talked about can be easily remied and will be remedied. it's not the apocalypse. >> van just said they did not make it a new law. why is all this starting next month and the white house saying that for the first time ever doctors are going to be able to not worry...

Situation on something he had nothing to do with the campaign stop. as he said it to me, i would not ever use those words again towards the president of the united states of america. i should have used better vernacular, as you heard in part of his apology there. in the whole 20 minutes we spoke, it was a ted nugent that i do think actually felt bad for this entire episode in which it probably never would have happened. >> i do not think -- listen, i don't think about ted. >> you don't like him. >> i don't really have any feeling about ted nugent. i haven't thought about him since the 1970s an...