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This is a kind of type we see with these guys, so i think you kind of have both things going on. and then they act out, and it's like a mad dog you know? this is the way that al-qaeda has recruited people like this, who are susceptible to that online digital recruiting of white nationalists, who have done it, you get that guy who feels alone, feels marginalized feels weak, and he grabs on to that certain community, and in this case maybe people with a murder fetish, any kind of lives in there and unfortunately he exit out. so that is what we may be dealing with and like harry said i think we m...

Give any sort of real threat, where there really was not when i saw so far, then it's very difficult to define the guy. >> harry, your thoughts? >> now look, i agree with that, when you just are making noise on the internet it's hard to criminalize. there have been some inroads made in some communities, not through law enforcement but through social services to identify these potential problem guys, and really know when they might be taking, you know, within a couple of steps of actually acting out, as he seems to have done, starting in january. we don't know all the facts about him, so you're...

Never said i'm gonna go to a mass shooting at a parade on the 4th of july. he never said that. he made a music video about mass shootings. the machine is only depicted in court to inform. so, you know, that is absolutely put that in speech. there is no question about that. you are allowed to make art about things that happen on planet earth. so, it's very difficult in the situation, unless there is some sort of other private indication, you can be obsessed with death on the internet. it's another thing you can be obsessed with. there was no overt threat that i have seen on the internet from, t...

Next step is, you know he's taking, and given his rights, and his given a few months to talk to his detectives or not, obtain an attorney. and that's his next stage. >> so very non violent altercation here or confrontation with a person of interest, clearly. >> yeah, i think it was scared once he saw that cruiser in the front. the patrol in the back. like i said, this guy is not a real man. he's a coward, shooting and throw it goes from the roof. i mean he's a craving coward. i mean, he has images of and self like he likes to post, as ben was describing, he posted them on mr. big bands, brave ...

Vehicle. which is routine as well. and those dogs will pick up those bullets and shell casings, and even those guns. this is the, arrest felony car stop, textbook good maneuver, everybody stay safe. the next step is, he's taken in and given his miranda writes, and asked if he wants to talk to the detectives or not, or obtain an attorney. and that's the next stage. >> a very non violent confrontation here at the person of interest here, clearly. >> yes, i think he was scared, once he saw that unmarked cruiser in the front, the patrol in the back. like i said, this guy is not a real man, he's a ...