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Terrorism. he let us -- and former u.s. attorney who prosecuted gun crimes. jim, let's start with you very quickly, just because we were watching, as the light trucks were coming in. and as shaq was reporting for us, it tells us a lot about what the next stage might be, as shaq was saying, they're telling him, lots of work tonight. >> well, that's right. everything is gonna slow down right now, really, really slow down. gather that evidence, interviewing these persons of interest, making sure they issue those warnings, there is an attorney if he desires before he's interviewed. the physical ev...

Problem! and it's not one for a law enforcement. law enforcement, sack to say, comes in now after six people are dead. >> harry, jim, ben, standby, we just got some new video here at msnbc of the arrest of the person of interest. look closely as we -- look at this. it looks like a user generated content. as we watch this, can you tell us, jim, what you're seeing here as well? >> you know, it's a felony car stop. procedure for a felony car stop. they made verbal orders, step him out, get down on his knees, it looks like. and then, they moved in. you see him there. he's following the verbal orde...

Step-by-step methodical construction. starting, with by the way, a critical component of him being apprehended, that will probably be presented within 12 hours. >> jim, harry brings up the question i was also curious about. because of, again reporting going back to ben. the way that he had glorified going, out if you, will with a big bang. in this case, he seems to have stopped short right at the intersection, not interfacing it with what appeared to be a red undercover on enforcement vehicle. but stopping right there and then was apprehended again, not injured, not killed, and as harry was sa...

>> jim, harry brings up the question i was also curious about. because of, again reporting going back to ben. the way that he had glorified going, out if you, will with a big bang. in this case, he seems to have stopped short right at the intersection, not interfacing it with what appeared to be a red undercover on enforcement vehicle. but stopping right there and then was apprehended again, not injured, not killed, and as harry was saying he is still alive. but does that tell you about this particular person of interest? >> he's really scared, and he's a coward, and he doesn't live up to his ...

To see everything being done by the book, little stuff that you're not aware can really cause problems down the line. and i have to say, from the time the shooting started, these guys have been real pros, and that's gonna pay off, when we are actually in court. as i was surprised, he turns out to be not a guy who wants to go down, you know guns blazing, but quickly surrenders and will be going to trial, unless he pleads otherwise. >> harry litman, jim cavanaugh, stay with us. ben collins, thank you so much. lots of great information in the reporting on online footprint there of the person of i...