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And both times he lied under oath. does that make him an impeachable witness? he could be discredited? >> he could be discredited by have no reason to believe michael cohen said is relied upon if any ultimate prosecution of anybody else in the president's inner circle up to and including the president himself. documents don't lie. that is the quick apart. hundreds of pages were released from the justice department. they've got emails, icloud account, phone logs, everything off of his phones when they rated in april 2018, the recording devices, they don't need michael cohen's testimony for anyt...

Were to start up again, with the government reopen, could you vote, will you vote for some new fencing? >> only if the government is open will i even consider such an idea, and it has to be part of a bigger package. but there have been proposals on the table before. last year the herd aguilar proposal that included components of border security, including some big physical barriers where it makes sense but really with a focus on the ports of entry and on personnel and on dealing with the immigration backlog and these other aspects so important. it has to be part of an overall package but we do...

Office for dealing with this onslaught. never mind the democratic house investigations that are coming their way. and you know, it's interesting to see the president's legal team such as it is. rudy giuliani has offered some public commentary in the last couple of days that really, you know -- he seems extremely sxochbt looks to me to be whistling past the graveyard. it's kind of hard to figure out rudy's game here. but he just seems to be kind of shrugging everything off, making a joke about it. he gave one of my reporters a comment last night that frankly i found commeet completely inco. you...

Their way. and you know, it's interesting to see the president's legal team such as it is. rudy giuliani has offered some public commentary in the last couple of days that really, you know -- he seems extremely sxochbt looks to me to be whistling past the graveyard. it's kind of hard to figure out rudy's game here. but he just seems to be kind of shrugging everything off, making a joke about it. he gave one of my reporters a comment last night that frankly i found comcompletely incoherent you can look it up on darren samuels' twitter feed. very strange formulation. literally didn't make any se...

Ball. they are understaffed in that office for dealing with this onslaught. never mind the democratic house investigations that are coming their way. and you know, it's interesting to see the president's legal team such as it is. rudy giuliani has offered some public commentary in the last couple of days that really, you know -- he seems extremely confident and looks to me to be whistling past the graveyard. it's kind of hard to figure out rudy's game here. but he just seems to be kind of shrugging everything off, making a joke about it. he gave one of my reporters a comment last night that fr...