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The ambassador agreed he president did not give an expletive about ukraine. he said he only cares about big stuff. i noted there was big stuff like a war in russia. ambassador sondland said he meant big stuff that benefits the president, like the biden investigation mr. guiliani was pushing. >> mr. guiliani's role reemerged. a former top white house aide described how mr. trump embraced the conspiracy theory. >> mr. guiliani was having a direct influence on the foreign policy agenda. my recollection, ambassador sondland said, damn it, rudy. every time he gets involved he fs everything up. >> h...

Rudy, when he gets involved he fs everything up. in the meeting secretary perry, pass president zelensky that perry described as people he trusts. he said he could seek advice from people on this list which was the topic of subsequent meetings. embassy personnel were excluded from later meetings by secretary perry's staff. senator ron johnson who also attended the inauguration but not on the official delegation returned to the united states to brief president trump. president trumpes signed a co t congratulatory trump. it is important to understand

Tim morrison. he's set to testify publicly next wednesday under oath, and he's going to have to tell the whole truth including about this call if he doesn't want to end up like roger stone. more on roger stone in a minute. but you heard that mention of rudy giuliani and david holmes' opening statement. well, there's more. this from a meeting prior to the inauguration of president zelensky. when someone asked why rudy giuliani had so much to say to the media about ukraine. and i quote here again, my recollection is that ambassador sondland stated, dammit rudy, every time rudy gets involved he g...

His opening statement talked about how officials were raising red flags and alarm signs about giuliani's role. at one point during a preliminary meeting, someone wondered allow about why mr. giuliani was so active in the media with respect to ukraine. my recollection is that ambassador sondland stated, damn it, rudy. every time rudy gets involved he goes and "f"s everything up. even sondland is saying that, michael. >> that's right. and i think that one of the things the ambassador said today, she said, ukrainians who prefer to play by the old, corrupt rules sought to remove me. what continues...

He's said to -- and he's going to have to tell the whole truth, include about this call if he doesn't want to end up like roger stone. more on roger stone in a minute. there's more. this from a meeting price to the inauguration of president zelensky, when with you asked why rudy giuliani had so much to stay to the media about ukraine. i quote here again -- my recollection is ambassador sondland stated, damn it, rudy, every tile rudy gets involved and goes -- -- oops, i can't say that -- effs everything up. all of that on the same day who was abruptly removed from her post, by the way, from p...