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A fighting mood. but even as aides tried to convince him to resign, how long can he keep fighting? i'm not sure who he is actually views himself as fighting against. but i mean, at a certain point, it becomes a disservice to the state of new york, i assume. >> it's a terrible disservice to the state of new york. i mean, think of all the work that needs to be done on the pandemic, on an inclusive economic recovery for the state. but andrew cuomo really has one gear, and that gear is fight. and when this all broke, last week, i thought he would take it into impeachment because he -- that's what ...

It becomes a disservice to the state of new york, i assume? >> oh, it's a terrible disservice to the state of new york. think of all the work that needs to be done on the pandemic, on an inclusive economic recovery for the state. but andrew cuomo really has one gear, and that gear is fight. and when this all broke last week, i thought he would take it into impeachment because he -- that's what he knows how to do is fight, he usually wins, and i can't really imagine, although i think it is the wrong decision, him stepping down or not stepping down any time soon. it's just not who he is, it's no...