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Of this mcconnell threat. are they really going to sit it out? and are the democrats doing enough, getting angry enough, making enough noise? >> he is going to sit it out. as you said, before the commercial, i said he has destroyed the senate. they did that -- he did more filibusters of executive nominees during obama. then done in the previous history of the country. and this is just him being ruthless. merrick garland was that. we have to start doing that. one, we are going to have to start doing this. it would be insane to default. absolutely insane. we can't do it. the dollars, the default...

Needed republican senators will eventually cave in order to stave off an unparalleled economic disaster, which could hit in as little as two weeks, but the gop refuses to fold. democrats are running out of time to remedy the crisis on their own. great night to have back with us former minnesota democratic senator al franken who these days has the good fortune to host a podcast bearing his name. hey, senator, what do you make of this mcconnell threat? are they really going to sit it out? and are the democrats doing enough, getting angry enough, making enough noise? >> he's going to sit it out. ...

Play. i think he thinks so. then they're going to have to say democrats raised the debt limit because they're doing all this spending. i'm not sure the american people are quite that naive. i think the american people are going to look at, who is responsible? who averted an international economic crisis? they're going to -- so we'll see how sophisticated the american people are. >> do you, as someone who was a democrat in the senate, ever feel like mitch mcconnell was playing the game better than you as a party? >> yeah. i think that -- it depends what you mean by better. i think he has pretty...

The other day by the intercept, has said that he is open to a modification of the filibuster, and we've been working on a modification that would basically right now, you need 60 votes to break a filibuster. this would put the burden on those filibustering and 41 would have to come to the floor. and they would have to stay on the floor. they would have to stay there, the 41, and they would have to debate. and it would have to be germane. i would like to see them defend why it is a crime to give someone water waiting in line to vote. i would like to see that. and listen, mitch mcconnell filibus...

Be more proactive. >> part of what joe is saying in that tape was that he was very dissolution about the vote on the january 6th commission. a couple of those votes, for example, on his bills say it and joe might say you know what, they aren't bipartisan, we're not going to do it that way. that might move joe and it might move kristen cinema towards the kind of modification that will make them invest -- there will be a lot fewer filibusters. mcconnell filibustered more executive nominees during obama that had been filibustered in the previous history of the united states. >> that is really int...