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Understanding that the merciless campaign and at last call around 11:30 on january 6th is one that the vice president took alone without an aide there, and so that means there is no one else who can supply to jack smith evidence of what the president said and what vice president pence said back to the president at the time. now we have seen some clips from president trump's side of that call, but they were not complete, and so that is, i think, some critical testimony. and ultimately if this is challenged on executive privilege grounds, which we can talk about, of course, in more detail, it wi...

Short, they did fight their subpoenas on executive privilege grounds, but we know they ultimately did give testimony to the grand jury back in october. so, this is a big subpoena for the special counsel, but something that we should have expected because we knew these negotiations were definitely ongoing with pence's legal team here, wolf. so, unclear exactly what additional information beyond what was in his memoir the former vice president will be able to give, but still a big move from the special counsel. >> all right, jes isica, substantistand by. i want to bring in kaitlan collins, who b...

Former presidents do not. so meadows was looking at the same fate as trump's former adviser steve bannon, who has been criminally charged with contempt for his refusal to cooperate. he doesn't want charges, the litigation and the possible conviction on his record. he knows that there's no executive privilege grounds to withhold, so he started cooperating. >> you've said the courts are not buying the former president's argument about executive privilege, but what if the strategy is to keep arguing about privilege until congress potentially changes hands? >> anderson, the good news in this patte...

All of these events that happened today are tied together by the simple proposition that current presidents have the power over executive privilege, over whether or not documents or testimony can be heard. former presidents do not. so meadows was looking at the same fate as trump's former adviser steve bannon, who has been criminally charged with contempt for his refusal to cooperate. he doesn't want charges, the litigation and the possible conviction on his record. he knows that there's no executive privilege grounds to withhold, so he started cooperating. >> you've said the courts are not bu...

Recruisal from the russia investigation and the investigation was very unfair to the president and the president had done nothing wrong and sessions planned to meet with the special counsel and let him move forward with investigating election meddling in the future elections. now, wolf, when you talk to democrats in the judiciary committee, they made two things clear. one in the obstruction piece, this is one of the key elements. the idea that president trump trying to stand in the way, get rid of or undercut in one way or another the special counsel and the other is that cory lewandowski is a...