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Lawyers who simply say on the executive privilege issue, i had private conversations that are protected because those are executive branch and the president should reveal those. i think this has a long way to go. i would be surprised if they just rolled over. i'm not sure i would if i were them. i was asked questions by the congress periodically and the response was, i can't answer that because it's a conversation i had in the white house. i realize this is a sensitive issue, but do you want presidents down the road saying i can't get clear counsel from my advisers because the congress, partic...

How about the recipients of said subpoenas, the likelihood they're going to actually adhere? >> it depends. you can't just ignore a congressional subpoena unless you have the grounds to do so. now -- >> i don't even know what that means. >> well, if you have the grounds -- if you are a regular plain citizen, congress subpoenas you, you know, you are a regular run-of-the-mill person you have to go talk to congress. that's a subpoena, they can enforce that. now, if you are a member of congress, they can also subpoena, if you are a member of the house they can subpoena you, that's also something ...

Of course she could stay her ruling while it's appealed. it could be appealed and that would take months to resolve. and so i'm curious to exactly how she writes the opinion, and whether other people reading it will go and testify even if it's appealed. >> so i want to draw that out for a minute because there are a number of other former and current trump administration officials who are currently not obeying subpoenas from house democrats. some of them have said the white house told me not to go. i'm caught between a rock and a hard place. >> which is not a crazy argument, by the way. >> so d...

Before. >> well, i agree with you again. i want to be clear about it. i think john bolton should come forward. i do not understand and nobody has ever given me an answer why it is again that colonel vindman, dr. hill and mr. morrison can all come forward of their own volition and respond. >> martha: i think it's probably because he worked so closely with the president. it's a much more high level executive privilege issue. they all maintain that they didn't have much interaction with the president at all. >> i believe that john bolton has a patriotic duty to come forward. we are exercising our...

Thing for mr. volker and others to do is come before the committee and be completely honest. if there something that has a classification issue, let's work through it. if there's something with a an executive privilege issue, let's work through it. getting answers is the most important. i would encourage house democratic colleagues to wait and read the information because they have already formed judgments and strategy. they know what they want to get to. they have the facts or the -- they don't have the facts or the information. arthel: do you find anything in the whistleblower's complaint wh...