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Intelligence manage to develop a source so high in, as the former senior intelligence official told me known as a denied area, difficult area for u.s. intelligence to operate in? >> most of these sources are what are called walk-in. they will go into an embassy like in london and ask for the cia, the cia will take them outside and meet them, recruit them, and then send them back to moscow. so it's pretty much a hit or miss. the cia in moscow is not developing sources inside the kremlin. it's too risky. the russians would catch us. so losing a source like this, as i said, is an enormous loss, e...

Not going to but the up with this kind of russian effort. i don't think it's a new cold war but i do think it's vladimir putin trying to reassert russian predominance in eastern europe, eastern and central europe in the space of the former soviet union. >> martha: i want to get your thoughts on one other subject before we go. general kelly talking about isis. >> they have morphed and they are coming. they are returning to europe and they are not like defeated. they are just like morphing into something different. they still have that one particular lust in life and that is to come here and do ...

Department of homeland security, the assumption was that terrorism was something that had to be stopped at the borders and that it was something that we had to worry about because it might exfill trait, it might penetrate our borders. so we put all these port securit aviation security in one spot. so now we have to deal with the home born security problem. >> you described it to the equivalent of the ministry of interior position, one of the things that is unique about the transition that we're going through right now, in other countries it would be unheard of for a recently retired general to...

Now, i have to say that in 2001, 2002 when we created the department of homeland security, the assumption was that terrorism was something that had to be stopped at the borders and that it was something that we had to worry about because it might exfill trait, it might penetrate our borders. so we put all these port securit aviation security in one spot. so now we have to deal with the home born security problem. >> you described it to the equivalent of the ministry of interior position, one of the things that is unique about the transition that we're going through right now, in other countrie...

2002 when we created the department of homeland security, the assumption was that terrorism was something that had to be stopped at the borders and that it was something that we had to worry about because it might exfill trait, it might penetrate our borders. so we put all these port security aviation security in one spot. so now we have to deal with the home born security problem. >> you described it to the equivalent of the ministry of interior position, one of the things that is unique about the transition that we're going through right now, in other countries it would be unheard of for a r...