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Case with charles taylor. and -- >> david? >> and i think that's possible. yes? >> let me play devil's advocate for a moment. i want to push you. some are saying that the prospect of having the realty of an icc case hanging over gadhafi's head in fact cuts off exit avenues. in other words, he can't leave, he can't find refuge anyplace else in the world because he knows that the icc will track him down and try him, and wouldn't it be better to let him find some remote island somewhere in the world and let him go there and let him be rid of him? is that a concern? >> i don't think that's an opti...