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Court, mitch mcconnell, and are you interested in keeping the government closed over this wall, and what do you and your republican colleagues want to do it? it is not a plan to reopen the government directly, but a planb to increase the pressure on the republicans particularly in the senate to come to a reasonable bargaining position, and position where prams they could split from the president or decide that this fight is just not worth it anymore. >> or redefine the idea of the wall is and that is a matter of semantics and what you heard from john kelly saying in the exit interview, we stop...

Security measure, and it's definitely not going to be addressing the entire immigration crisis, and it has been dogging d.c. for a long time to counter that, and why can't they meet in the middle if they think it's a priority, but it represents so much more in this moment and that's why we may be looking at this dragging on in the next few days when congress comes inback in 2018. >> john kelly gave this remarkable interview. he talked to the los angeles times for two hours on his way. this is sort of his exit interview but it was with the los angeles times. he said to be honest, it's not a wal...

The president might not be there anymore. when you look at the polling a couple weeks ago before the government shutdown, a majority of the people did not want to see the government shutdown but wanted to see the president and congress compromise, and now republicans don't want him to back down, and that's the numbers he is looking at. this is a president that will be increasingly political as he gets closer and closer to the election. we are seeing the beginning of that now. >> john kelly reinforced this, and gave an extraordinary interview for two hours on the phone, basically his exit inter...

Staff gave an exit interview of sorts to the "l.a. times" and here's what he had to say about the wall. quote, to be honest, it's not a wall. the president still says wall. oftentimes he'll say barrier or fencing now. he's tended towards steel slats, but we left the solid concrete wall early on in the administration. when we ask people what they needed and where they needed it. this is what john kelly is saying they were talking about in the administration. he makes it seem as though the president himself agreed to this concept. is the president's base on the same page with general kelly when ...

Happy new year. >> eric: how about that? outgoing white house chief of staff john kelly giving an exit interview to the "l. a. times" saying he stayed in his post for 18 months despite having policy differences, personality clashes, and controversy with the commander-in-chief. he said he stayed out of a sense of duty. the retired marine corps general saying military people don't walk away. contributing editor at the "washington free beacon" join us now. a blunt interview. kelly says he should be judged by what the president did not do while he served as chief of staff. it has to rub the presid...