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Party spoiler. there are democrats who say this is all about a spoiler that gives the election to trump if it's biden vs. trump. what do you say to that, to that spoiler argument? couple things number one criticized right and the left we are about the right place. criticisms getting louder which means we are being taken more seriously by traditional parties that have not served what most americans -- americans want. and if the parties come to their senses movie toward the center which is how things have historically gotten done in this country we will stand down. >> bret: looked back at the '9...

And i do think that that's part of the reality that this campaign is gonna be fought on it. there's no expectation among biden's advisers that suddenly he will become extraordinarily popular or suddenly, his age is not going to be a factor. that's part of it, and they're just hoping that voters will factor that in along with us. other things, especially who he is running against, as they make a decision about who they're going to vote for in the presidential alex, go ahead what abby was saying. you know obama's approval rating as the incumbent president did not go back over 50. until september...

Anyway, because they view the alternative as an acceptable to a degree that we have never seen before in exit polling, and that is kind of the challenge that republicans are rolling toward in 2024. people are dissatisfied with things the way things are going in the country. but there are a lot of voters who believe that putting trump back in the white house is kind of an existential risk to american democracy. and the way to desantis has chosen to try to beat him. mhm by trying to squeak. you know, i have this image in my head of the republican race being this big interstate highway, you have ...

Is trying to be this fresh voice, she even said on her roll out that she does not believe that america's races. she tapped into her immigrant heritage. and so, she is leaning into, hey, almost look at me. if the party in america was so racist, how could i end up being a governor of south carolina? so, it will be an interesting thing that she is facing, running as a republican and knowing that, even though donald trump was her ally, we are showing all these pictures of them, when she was part of his administration. he is already waging war against her. he is already attacking her. and the ways ...

Republican party does not overwhelmingly believe that they have a problem with more women representation in their party -- she -- is trying to be this fresh voice, she even said on her roll out that she does not believe that america's races. she tapped into her immigrant heritage. and so, she is leaning into, hey, almost look at me. if the party in america was so racist, how could i end up being a governor of south carolina? so, it will be an interesting thing that she is facing, running as a republican and knowing that, even though donald trump was her ally, we are showing all these pictures ...