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President was doing policy initiatives thaefl that has been lacking. scaramucci does not have any experience running a communicationing shop. what he does have experience doing is appearing on tv. he is a trump surrogate and president trump likes that. hand so one of the things that people hope that he will do some of the supporters is get other people out there to give the president's message. now, obviously that's a very tall task. when we have russia investigations and jeff sessions within all the other things. but they feel like he needs to try harder. they feel like he is the guy to do th...

George w. bush administration, they had these huge or not huge, small but very effective teams that worked to get people on tv shows like yours and other shows and the sunday shows where they were talking about what the president was doing, policy initiatives. they feel like that has been lacking. scaramucci does not have any experience running a communication shop. what he does have experience doing is appearing on tv. he is a trump surrogate and trump likes that. one of the things that people hope he will do, some of these supporters is get other people out there to give the president's mess...

Lacking. scaramucci does not have any experience running a communicationing shop. what he does have experience doing is appearing on tv. he is a trump surrogate and president trump likes that. hand so one of the things that people hope that he will do some of the supporters is get other people out there to give the president's message. now, obviously that's a very tall task. when we have russia investigations and jeff sessions within all the other things. but they feel like he needs to try harder. they feel like he is the guy to do that. >> three of the most active bi lines in modern day journ...

Having them focus on the bids, i think he wants them to be close and advise him. i think what pat is getting at, too, what's very important for this team right now is that they don't come off as disorganized. there's every reason that can happen, both because of the cultural fights within this inner circle and applying that to a new role, which is to organize the government, something he doesn't have experience doing. >> well, the relevant question about this infighting, there's always infighting in these kind of things. are you picking up anything that's unique to this dynamic that should be ...

Alex, so i'm going to ask you, i think, look, secretary kelly, there's no doubt this will get good reviews. this has been a very professional guy. i've had interactions with him. he's a very impressive individual. but there is a lot of aspects of being chief of staff that he's had no experience doing. what's your quick take on this? >> well, this was not a surprise. i mean, the situation was untenable. there were effectively two chiefs of staff with the mooch -- >> on a good day there were two. >> we woke up this morning and clearly there were two people who thought they were chief of staff to...