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Sure get paid. this has nothing to with congress, but the insurers have to make a decision as to what their premiums are going to beer for the next year and if the payments are not continued that's an existential threat to obamacare. in other words, the president has a way of killing obamacare without congress. >> that's right. when insurance companies don't know what to do, they just charge more money. so there's an estimated 20% additional premium and everybody's premium that's for this. so congress can actually take this one out of president trump's hands by what they decide to do and in th...

Noises today he's willing to support senator graham's bill. within the next three weeks we are going to see these things all introduced and see how they play out. >> so mccain might be involved in that and senator dean heller from nevada who's had a very difficult time. he voted in favor of the obamacare repeal, but got a lot of pressure in his own state and he's getting pressure because he's up for re-election in 2018. he may be in on that. so there may be a few different things going on this month while everything else is happening in congress. clear your calendar, because we may need to tal...

>> ray, to you and me, that sounds like it's six months away but if you're a d.r.e.a.m.er that's -- that could be tomorrow. i mean, it's unbelievable what some of these kids -- whatever you politically think about them or legally think about them, it's -- it gets into your head. ray, thanks so much. we'll have this conversation many times i'm sure in the next six months. ray suarez, my friend and journalist and professor. up next, how a bipartisan effort might be the best fix to obamacare. you're watching msnbc. ♪ i'm living that yacht life, life, life ♪ ♪ top speed fifty knots life on...

Harvey aid, immigration, avoiding a government shutdown, tax reform some of the things that congress is dealing with but something else is on the agenda -- health care. >> this hearing is about taking one small step, a small step on a big issue which has been locked in partisan stalemate for seven years. >> lamar alexander holding a hearing with state insurance commissioners to talk about stabilizing the premiums. it's the first of four meetings planned by the help committee. the goal is to get a bipartisan bill, he says, he's working with senator patty murray on that. joining me is the former...