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Any time we shrink government rel capital is deployed to make us prosperous. >> rick, go ahead. >> when i tried to raise the question before, if you are saying that the shutdown resulted in more employment you said i was going off-point. david you just said maybe we should keep the government shutdown more often. >> that was not the question. >> we have to go to joe biden spending the obama stimulus where he said more government spending, more government borrowing. that's the way out of the recession. he said any month we'll be having 250,000 jobs an average a month. that never happened. >> yo...

Incredibly productive enterprisers. it shows you that even bad policy coming out of washington really can't kill that spirit. and by bad policy, you know, we have the administration, we have congress, the senate, the run-away federal bureaucracy, unstable money. a lot of head winds that hit america. we should be growing at 4%. >> rick, even the head of bureau of labor statistics the institution that comes out with the figures said really there was no discernible impact from the partial government shutdown and the jobs numbers. >> yeah. that is apparently true, although i have to say this the a...

Signed on, on businesses are going to lose. they are estimating 93 million people will not have their insurance. they are going to be outraged. that is why this thing will collapse, among other reasons. >> but rick, you already have these things that have happened that weren't supposed to happen, right? >> yeah. things that have happened in the first 30 days. look, we seem to be fact challenged this morning. jon stewart has never -- let me underline "never" -- made fun of the program. he made fun of the execution of the program, something none of us are pleased with. >> rick, hold on a second....

Economic action $6 billion of government -- i don't understand why that is funny. what is the point you're making? got shutdown and people plan employment figures for the next month this is relevant? >> the point -- >> wait, wait, wait. rick. you ask question. give us a chance to answer. rick, the point is, mike, we had g.d. figures this week that were up a little bit. despite the sequester and the shutdown. it looks like the economy can work without the big government. >> you are right. we're taking a page from bill clinton play book who shrunk it before the overall economy. before the shutdo...

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