Figliuzzi, former assistant director for counterintelligence at the fbi. also joining us, daniel goldman, who is front and center as lead counsel during that first impeachment trial over the ex-president's extortion attempts over the ukrainian leader, and jim warren, former managing editor of the "chicago tribune," now executive editor of news guard, msnbc national -- what's your title? >> who knows. >> let's just be clear. john heilemann and i are at the other end of the spectrum of legal analysts. jim, i'd like to speak to you first time, not about whether or not tucker carlson has the right...