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susan, you see it in other theaters. people happy to agree in the context of, yes, if we reform the tax code, or what david k. johnson said, we have an extracktive tax system across the board, but we never see, or are we seeing with the 28th amendment debate, the movements of these things. >> i think you should feel optimistic pant what you're doing and the amount of people who are interested in being part of that. unfortunately, when i hear these people in washington, both sides of the aisle, all i hear is wah-wah, wah-wah. and that's all the american people hear, frankly. they're so sick and tired of it. for years, we've heard, reform the tax code. why can't we get rid of all the energy subsidies? because no one's willing to get rid of that pac money and they're all afraid of making the wrong move and offending their constituency. >> but the more these things get pushed, the better it's got to