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Use for the sake of argument five black hawk helicopters, when he asks for those, you give them five black hawk helicopters. you don't ask questions. you don't debate it back at d.c. you don't argue about who is going to pay for what. you just do it. and so my op-ed -- because this was pay problem i had in katrina. you would ask for something. that would go up the chain back to d.c. and then a bunch of cabinet secretaries or deputy secretaries would argue about, well, does he really need it? well, let me tell you, brock long is the guy that knows what he needs. so the president needs to make c...

Same mistakes president bush did but you don't quite put it in that way. use your bully pulpit. it's very powerful. explain. >> who is a great guy, eye good guy. he used to work at the national hurricane center for me when i was the under secretary. you heard tom boss saturday who used to work for many when i was the fema director. they've told the president what they're doing. the president has asked questions. hooer is what i've not heard that kind of fits in what senator grassley said. has the president said to the cabinet, has he said to them, look, we have potentially and when i hear the ...

Dan forth goes on to say that the president has no interest in uniting the country. he describes mr. trump as the most divisive president ever, since george wallace. it's an blooebl op-ed. and mr. dan forth joins me now. he served in the senate for nearly two decades. he was ambassador in the united nations among other things. he's been an envoy for multiple administrations. welcome to the show, sir. >> thank you very much. >> you're not somebody that uses hyperbole very often, so, you know, most politicians are good at that. you don't. i have to say i was just floored to hear you say he's the...