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Facts is beyond me. >> can we also note and we'll talk with others that mike pence's brother who is a congressman voted against the prospect of having this commission, your brother was being hunted by these folks. it's extraordinary. and this commission will be politicized. how can this person is the current leader of the republican party, that party should face some of the blame, right? >> absolutely, alex. and i just think, though, that we should go back and look at what happened with the second impeachment. i think it was a critical mistake not to call witnesses during the second impeachmen...

To hold off in aid. if you're looking for a connection, that seems to be a compelling one. second issue, when you are talking about but don't say anything, keep it quiet on the hush, that goes to what we call consciousness of guilt and i'll jump on top of a desk to help my clients, saying, look, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you know what you are doing is wrong and so it is troubling. >> that is what the emails show. very clearly. the fact pattern is good. and when they say -- from the d.o.d. asked what caused the change in policy and the answer is redacted. >> so we don't know what is the...

Papers, go right ahead. >> as if to prove the points why democrats are so keen to get documents and witnesses, and perhaps why republicans seem so loathed to provide them, considering what we learned just this weekend. previously secret emails between the white house budget office and the pentagon reveal a request to withhold funds to ukraine came about 90 minutes after president trump's july phone call with ukraine's president. in response, the white house is holding the line insisting the fact pattern has not changed. quote, it's reckless to tie the hold of funds to the phone call, as has be...

The world apart we should keep them that way. it's not really president trump, we should focus on the fact pattern and it being impeachable. that is our responsibility, not from a partisan perspective but as leaders in america. >> nancy pelosi has yet to send the article of impeachment over to the senate she says she's withholding because she wants to make sure there's a fair trial process and one that includes the witnesses. >> we can hear the ruckus crowd in the music so hopefully you can hear me but it's worth noting there's interesting stuff i got done, the president xi legislation before ...

Conduct in ukraine and there are republicans that want this to be short and request i cannily vote to acquit the president based on what they say was a july call with the ukrainian president that does not meet the standard to remove the president. >> i think it's hard to argue that it was perfect. it's also harder to argue that it was impeachable and the delineation between perfection and impeachable, they're worlds apart and we should keep them that way. what we have to focus on is not really president trump. we should focus on a fact pattern that leads us to a conclusion as relates to it bei...