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He wants rudy giuliani to testify. democrats have been leary on that on republican terms and diane fine sti dianne feinstein seems to be behind this. what do you expect? rudy giuliani would he appear if. >> if he appears in the senate he's made clear what his terms would be and if that is the way the senate hearing goes then it would make it difficult, i think, especially picking up on the process argument and the fairness argument for the house then to come back and ask the kinds of questions the house would want. it's important for people to understand there's a lot in that letter about due ...

Clear again that this is being left to congress now because he didn't have the power to indict. but he was also not willing to say congress should impeach. i think that's consistent with his fairness argument that he made that if he wasn't going to say the president should have been indicted and not with standing the department policy, then he probably wasn't going to say the president should be impeached but rather that congress should consider what repercussions should follow, what course to take whether it's through an impeachment enquiry or throughity oversight function. it left that to th...

One direction or the other. a lot of what he said was really to underscore what he had said in the report to dispel some of the confusion that bill barr tried to create. he certainly i think made it clear again that this is being left to congress now because he didn't have the power to indict. but he was also not willing to say congress should impeach. i think that's consistent with his fairness argument that he made that if he wasn't going to say the president should have been indicted and not with standing the department policy, then he probably wasn't going to say the president should be im...

And al fromme said something that we think is an interesting way to? democratic party. he said the party in the '80s is that they were all about fairness and not opportunity. and bill clinton pushed them to opportunity. and he said i see the democrats sblipg the fairness argument. when you talk about fairness, some voters say what are they taking away from me? when you talk opportunity, they think what are you doing to make me feel better? >> that flashback to the age of the dlc and that was how democrats came out of the wilderness in the 1990s. are it may be a bigger problem than the lack of ...

Deductions and when we close loopholes they may not see it that way, sure. on average, everybody is going to benefit. average tax cuts for families for your viewers the median family in america is going to get $205 tax cut. that's rea205 -- $2,005 tax cut. that's real money. steve: some of those individuals with deductions with stuff might get a tax hike, but they would be few and far between according to what you've said. however, do you think ultimately the result of this tax cut bill is people in those high tax states, their state legislatures are going to have to do something about the hig...