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That s according to two people familiar with the development. one of whom said that trump related testimony in the secret proceeding has begun. it s not clear whether the grand jury will return any indictments. the develop suggests that vance believes he has evidence of a crime, if not by trump then by someone close to him or by his company. manhattan d.a. has been invest good faithing trump since 2018 and is scrutinizing whether his company misrepresented the value of his assets for tax or insurance purposes. that s also known as fraud. no president of the united states has ever been charged with that or any other crime. just the potential of that is a very big deal. last week we learned that cy vance team joined forces with investigators with the office of new york attorney general whose civil probe has become a criminal investigation. joining me now, two former ....