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Charles: jillian, every time they go to gun violence, an inanimate object that might make you feel more powerful, but every single day hundreds of thousands, if not millions of americans get their legally registered guns, go to a target range and go back home and cook dinner. [laughter] the notion that this simply falls on guns, it bothers me so much, and this is always the fallback position for democrats. >> yeah, it's true. i was talking to the former chief of police, and-saying it's a deterrent to crime, and i think that's something democrats really mean. dan was right in pointing out some ...

This goes to your other point. i think people want me to say there's a strategy. i don't think the filibuster is going away this session. i just don't. that doesn't mean things can't pass. sinema and manchin have showed a willingness to vote in reconciliation packages, so i don't think that means there's no agenda. but in terms of getting rid of the filibuster, the democrats have gone further than i expected, but in a 50-50 senate with a couple of senators acting the way there are, i don't think there's leverage or an obvious path. >> i tend to agree with you but your point about reconciliatio...

Republicans have asked for. this is a commission that is going to be have appointed by republicans, half by democrats, and any republican can get their vice chair to object to any subpoena that the commission wants to issue. if this doesn't happen, and i don't know why republicans wouldn't support it, our fallback position is a speaker could, if she wanted to, you have a special select committee like a benghazi select committee and that committee would have full subpoena power the republicans could even object to. i don't understand why republicans are objecting to this commission. >> it's an ...

Passed by you in the house of representatives. would there be any changes that you would be willing to make in this bill to get it through the senate? >> i'm not even sure what else we could do. we have basically put in all of the changes that the republicans have asked for. this is a commission that is going to be half appointed by republicans, half by democrats, and any republican can basically get their vice chair to object to any subpoena that the commission wants to issue. so if this doesn't happen, and i don't know why republicans would not support this, our fallback position is that the...

You're not going to cook anything there." actually, robuchon helped me come to america, he found me the job. >> anthony: what would you have been if you'd failed as an aspiring chef? what was your fallback position? >> eric: i wanted to be a forest ranger. >> anthony: forest ranger? >> eric: yeah. >> anthony: why? you like nature or something? >> eric: yeah. >> anthony: what was it, the uniform? you like the uniform? the shorts -- they get shorts and a little hat like smokey the bear. >> anthony: but you're not an outdoorsmen at all. you don't fish. >> eric: no, because i don't want to catch f...