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Their colleagues in the west wing who are used to fighting. they say this was different. we're told john kelly got the angriest when john bolton made a remark about the dhs secretary saying she needed to do her job over at dhs while they were talking about these border crossings, and that set john kelly off. kirsten nelson, he brought her to the west wing with him. and he was the won who convinced president trump to put her in to lead dhs. but the question is, this has sparked resignation fears. people think that john kelly could resign over this argument, and that it was so bad, one person eq...

When he's 24, manafort manages his successful campaign to become national chairman of the young republicans, so he and roger and manafort go back as far as they can go and is absolutely an extraordinary significant person in roger's life and if he's dropping a dial on roger that would be both painful for him on a personal level and, of course, on a legal level as well. >> and nick ackerman, sam nunberg was someone who worked directly for roger although they did a falling out. provided his testimony as i think many people remember. and here's what he said about all this in terms of his expectat...

Correspondent kaitlan collins who is doing a lot of reporting on this. what set these two guys off? >> reporter: it got really ugly, talking about a recent surge in border cross, something that has infuriated president trump because he's been tweeting about it and it got really ugly between john bolton and john kelly where it startled other people in the west wing. that's not normal. a lot of fighting in this white house, it's bitter and divisive and this is more dramatic than that and someone equated it as a falling out. they were talking about the surge in borders crossings, and really what ...

Didn't get it. it is not unique to donald trump to look at where he's going to get his best opportunity to bring out his message and of course he goes to a fox news and that's smart. >> eric, do you recall president obama sitting down with bill o'reilly? >> absolutely. that was eight years or maybe a third in eight years. donald trump as brian points out had gone to cbs and abc several times. he had not gone here. he was on with msnbc several times before they had a falling out. he'll go where he thinks he gets an absolute fair shape where he's getting the message out. they all did the same th...

Obama presidency. and i probably made 200 calls to the obama administration to get 1 interview with the president. i didn't get it. i made calls to the hillary clinton administrations. i didn't get it. it's not unique to donald trump to look at where he is going to get his best opportunity to bring out his message. and of course, he goes to fox news. that's smart. >> eric, i do recall president obama sitting down with bret baier and with bill o'reilly. >> absolutely. that was two in eight years or maybe a third in eight years. donald trump, as brian points out, went to -- has gone to cbs sever...