obama presidency. and i probably made 200 calls to the obama administration to get 1 interview with the president. i didn't get it. i made calls to the hillary clinton administrations. i didn't get it. it's not unique to donald trump to look at where he is going to get his best opportunity to bring out his message. and of course, he goes to fox news. that's smart. >> eric, i do recall president obama sitting down with bret baier and with bill o'reilly. >> absolutely. that was two in eight years or maybe a third in eight years. donald trump, as brian points out, went to -- has gone to cbs several times. he's gone to abc several times. he hasn't gone here. and by the way, he was on with scarborough before they had a falling out. he will go where he thinks he gets a fair shake of getting his message out. i don't think it is unique to a