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Trump with 34 felony counts of falsifying documents surrounding legal nda's from 2016. now, per new york state code, these are usually misdemeanor crimes. five years past the statue of limitations. but through a novel legal theory never tried, alvin bragg is attempting to elevate the expired misdemeanors to felonies to try to prove intent to commit another crime, an election crime, believed to be, that is likely also past the statute of limitations. outside of his perview. the fbi and doj said there was never a crime. they never indicted the president. here's the kicker. alvin bragg won't even...

34 false statements. made to cover up other crimes. these are felony crimes in new york state. no matter who you are. we cannot and will not normalizes serious criminal conduct and ellie just in layman's terms, if you could walk us through what the indictment is, and also why the other crimes were not named. so this is all about hush money, and, more specifically, it's all about hush money paid to stormy daniels. the statement of facts mentions karen macdougal and the dormant they're not part of the actual indictment. they're there for overall background and color. how do we get to 34 counts? ...

>> there are a number of thing i'm going to be looking for. first of all, is it only limited to the david peppe donald trump scheme to basically catch and kill woman who are about to release information on donald trump? >> to be, clear catch and kill stories. >> exactly >> which involves stormy daniels, and here in mcdougal. the question is does it go beyond that? one, we know that the trum organization itself is already been convicted of a felony for falsifying documents we know that donald trum asserted his 5th amendment privilege, maybe that' truthful answers would tend to incriminate him o...

Willing to go on the stand and tell my story if they needed me >> vaughn is going to join u live from florida in just moment, but first, joining m right now, kathryn christian partner at least in abramson a lp, and former artists - assistant district attorney fo the manhattan da office. and also msnbc analyst and criminal defense attorney. welcome you both, but we are here with you, catherine, nb news reports that trump is facing around 30 counts or s of falsifying documents, but the specific charges, of course remain under seal and that happens until he gets arraigned and they will be release...

We don't even see that anymore don't we see people with handcuffed in front? so, he wanted to take the extr dramatic step to show himself, like, oh, you know that's strange just saying. >> no, he was very specific in that instruction and he kind o took his aides by the surprise they did not anticipate this level of insistence from trump certainly when he then said, you know, i don't care if it's a security concern, i want t be a martyr, i think tha solidified in that moment what trump wanted then at the indictment, when i actually came down, hi response was much more muted and he was trying to...