part of the select committee? should we be concerned that incitement of an insurrection, is what he was impeached for in congress, isn't one of the list of charges? >> well i think the charges that are made here, they're very serious. you know the first to, the conspiracy to defraud, the conspiracy to -- i think that they are really the flip side of the same coin. that is, if you're trying to defraud the american people by pressing state election officials, or other, is to find votes that don't exist, or to engage in a fake elector plot, you're also depriving them of their right to vote. you're diluting that vote with a bunch of fraudulent votes, are you taking that vote away completely by having these fake electors shoes the witness tampering. this will be interesting, to see what witness that charge refers to. really, all these matters are