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The conventional wisdom, when you have something that's an irritant like this, get it all out. make everybody in the administration list in detail all the meetings they had with the russians. if that happened maybe you take a couple weeks of bad press, people who did bad stuff get told to go away. but they have, through their lies and fantastical alibis that make no sense, assure that tomorrow and the next day and months to come, we will once again be consuming time and energy not on transportation, health care, but on the bizarre antics of the white house. >> thanks for your time continue, co...

That aren't false. they don't care or they want to see if the trial balloon works for them, the secret service example. >> we're in uncharted territory here. crisis management 101, which this white house threw overboard five months ago. this will be stud died in pr and crisis management classes for months to come. the conventional wisdom, when you have something that's an irritant like this, get it all out. make everybody in the administration list in detail all the meetings they had with the russians. if that happened maybe you take a couple weeks of bad press, people who did bad stuff get to...

Start with you, liz. the toxicity question. you can't disagree with the fact that pelosi is more toxic than president trump in a widespread of the united states of america. >> anyone in congressional leadership ends up being toxic. look at paul ryan's numbers? his numbers are basically in pelosi territory. they are pretty bad. but this is the thing. whoever we replace her with is going to be equally unpopular. the argument you are hearing from democrats that we'll find a new savior is fantastical. to think we'll pick someone republicans won't demonize and hate is fantastical. jesse: i disagree...

Start with you, liz. the toxicity question. you can't disagree with the fact that pelosi is more toxic than president trump in a widespread of the united states of america. >> anyone in congressional leadership ends up being toxic. look at paul ryan's numbers? his numbers are basically in pelosi territory. they are pretty bad. but this is the thing. whoever we replace her with is going to be equally unpopular. the argument you are hearing from democrats that we'll find a new savior is fantastical. to think we'll pick someone republicans won't demonize and hate is fantastical. jesse: i disagree...

Start with you, liz. the toxicity question. you can't disagree with the fact that pelosi is more toxic than president trump in a widespread of the united states of america. >> anyone in congressional leadership ends up being toxic. look at paul ryan's numbers? his numbers are basically in pelosi territory. they are pretty bad. but this is the thing. whoever we replace her with is going to be equally unpopular. the argument you are hearing from democrats that we'll find a new savior is fantastical. to think we'll pick someone republicans won't demonize and hate is fantastical. jesse: i disagree...