Lot more cutting if you're going to balance budgets and a lot more cutting and no question about it. everybody knows it, the president knows it, congress knows it and this is just the beginning. >> what happens if we do no cuts at all and you know, in the next year or two, three, four years, let's say we continue to balloon our debt, debt and deficit? >> well, eventually you're going to have a big fat explosion and it's all going to come to an end. if we don't get-- if we're up to 17 trillion dollars in debt. nobody thought that was possible, if you look back 7, 8, 9 years ago, nobody thought ...