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Attack. now she's explaining it saying people have a right to ask questions about this. in some ways, these e-mails kind of help. there is nothing there. she's talking about the fish. she's complaining about the fax machine, not knowing how to use that. the ipad. in some ways, it's a window, a veep-like window into the mundane ways of working at the state department. >> if there's no smoking gun, when does the e-mail issue go away for hillary? >> i think it goes away when the justice department says we looked into this and we are not going to take further action, if that's what they say. i spe...

I think in fairness to hillary clinton, if bill clinton was out there on the road a lot right now, what would you and i be saying oh, boy, it's not about her. i guess it's about the former president. he's overshadowing her. he's the big dog. so i think in fairness to her, she has an opportunity here to get out on her own and try to win this on her own delegate by delegate. that's why she's talking to the dnc behind me. but you raise a fair point about the modern age. remember what we learned in one of the earlier e-mail dumps from the state department that hillary clinton and huma beabed were ...

That's too far. >> hillary e-mails. tom, you noted the former official who said information regarding foreign governments is boring and classified. i believe it is a choice also i got the sense that at least some of you thought that the girl who asked hillary about equal pay was a plant. >> i can't believe you would cully the good clinton name by suggesting her campaign may do something about that. what do you make of hillary's latest attempt at poo-pooing the e-mail thing. she said our ridiculous classification rules are the real problem. >> i don't know. i think she has been going with a hel...

Personal in nature if they were able to retrieve them. i think they would be finding more e-mails expressing her preference for iced tea and, maybe her inability to operate the fax machine as we have seen in some e-mail that have come out. that is an important thing, wolf of the e-mails that have come out we are now into the bird round of productions there has been nothing controversial abut any of the underlying e-mails that have come out. >> well, i guess that is a subject for debate as i am sure you are aware. you used to work at the justice department. you know presumably that when the fbi...

Did you wipe the server? >> with a cloth or something? >> i don't know how it works. >> i don't know how it works digitally at all. >> jeff, what was that response? >> i think that was very honest and genuine response. it's clear she's not very savvy. we have seen a lot of those e-mails where she's unable to use her fax machine and things. she's saying she's wiping the server. this is a part of their strategy to show, look, this is not a huge deal, we have this, don't worry about this, democrats. this is part of the same partisan game. this poll shows even democrats are concerned about this an...